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So I always come back to this the longer I put off the official creation of this comic. When I start drawing this comic, would you (the potential readers) prefer it to be read left-to-right (American/European style) or right-to-left(Japanese style)?

American/European Style
:star: Pros
Readers unfamiliar with manga won't be jarred
Pages will be print-ready for an American audience
Can possibly submit to American/French publishers without needing to rework pages

Japanese Style
:star: Pros
The style leads you to believe it would be read like traditional manga
People who read this are more likely to be fans of manga and would prefer it right-to-left
People expecting manga would be jarred if it was left-to-right

If I decided to publish the story, either way, it would be self-published so the orientation overall shouldn't matter. It's really just what the potential readers would find best, I guess. Also, I'm back and forth on whether to paint it or just have black and white pages. The latter takes a lot less work, but I went back and looked at my original inspiration to make a webcomic, :iconelsevilla:
Hamadryad lament  02 by elsevilla Hamadryad's Lament by elsevilla
His pages were just so beautiful and inspiring, and I know when it comes to comics, I stick around more for the artwork than anything. I often get bored of black-and-white manga if it's not drawn with a lot of energy (good black placement, a nice graphic style, really interesting and intricate environments). If I play to my strengths, I'd do a full-color comic, but the time to put into that would be so much that I might not be able to keep it updated as much as I'd like, especially when I need to do other work to afford groceries and whatnot. Inconsistency in painting could also come up, since there's always those panels you just don't feel like drawing. Maybe I can avoid those, this is entirely my story. I just don't want to mess up this idea I've had for so long with the wrong start.   

And of course, commissions are open. I'mma be doing some gift arts for the holidays and now that classes are over, I have all the time to draw!

COMMISSION INFORMATIONSo I've gotten a lot of requests for commissions and the one thing I'm missing is organization! I don't have many examples to show(and nothing specifically a bust or full-body, but you should get the gist of what those would entail), but as soon as this gets off the ground I'll be able to supply more. Commissions will be for a full-color illustration in my manga style.
:star:Greyscale Sketch $25
A greyscale sketch will be a quick greyscale drawing. By their nature, there will not be revisions given for this type of commission. These are often rough and "incomplete," as they are sketches and not finished works.
Additional characters are $10 per.
    
:star:Bust/head shot $50
Self-explanatory, this is essentially a character portrait. In some cases, more can be drawn.
Additional characters are $15 per.


COMMISSION STATUS! [OPEN]Commissions are open once again!
Here I'm going to put live commissions so both parties can keep track of what's going on where. I didn't expect to get enough traffic to commissions for this to be a relevant thing!
Anonymous - Full-body Character x2 [PAID]
Facebook Contact - Full-body Character [PAID]
:iconTsubori: - Full-body Character [PAID]
[Open Space]
[Open Space]
[Open Space]
[Open Space]
[Open Space]
[Open Space]
[Open Space]
:iconZerro:
:star: Waist-Up Character [PAID] [On Hold]*
:star: Waist-Up Character [PAID] [On Hold]*
*By client request

FINISH LINE
A list of members who I have completed work for. Thank you everyone!
:iconAceRailgun: :iconloveslut: :iconLunachi139: :iconkcravenyote: :iconTheDemonfyre: :iconZerro:
:iconZandock: :iconelee0228: :iconSeizui: :icontakkunotori: :iconwaffleleech: :iconTorrentAB:
:iconkhaevar: :iconEntory: :iconNicoB7700: :iconLurkios: :iconD1sl3xicpanda: :icondulocracy:
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:iconshirouyumi81:
Shirouyumi81 Featured By Owner May 20, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
Since I read in Japanese (and is Japanese.), I prefer right to left traditionally. It is very frustrating if they were right to left for manga ka in Japan,like me for example.(just a training artist,that's all.)
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Kawaii-Ricecake Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Student General Artist
right to left please :3
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:iconnearoc:
NearoC Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013   Digital Artist
My vote's for right to left
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newtypeFERN Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm fine with either, but I prefer left-to-right. :)
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AmikaMangaka Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm making my comic right to left because of authenticity. I've heard people recommend that a lot of people like it left to right... but personally I find it hard to look at a manga-styled page and then read it left to right.

So my personal vote is right to left, but other people might fell differently :)
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knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Authenticity is a big part of it! If I was doing a completely black and white manga, I'd definitely go right-to-left as to not seem like a shallow imitation. Before meeting me in person, a lot of my peers thought I as a Japanese artist anyway, so in that sense it wouldn't seem that jarring. Get a good translator and my story could seem like something straight out of Jump. But since I feel like painting it now, I think it would be silly to completely go for the "authenticity" card, since a proper manga also needs those crisp lines and confident use of tone (if any tone is used at all). 
Of course, this won't be my only webcomic I try to do, so I've got room to experiment!
Which reminds me, I've got some black and white pages I did for this comic in class. Right-to-left, not that great, but it was enough to push me into wanting to do this in color, haha (somehow more work than a painted page... oof).
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AmikaMangaka Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:) That's a really good point. Since you're doing it in Color I can see it going left to right very easily. As long as the art itself directs the reader you should be fine. I've read both types where it could be confusing if the author messed up the composition. Good luck :D
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ashfeathers Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like right to left just because it's more comfortable to read...but for a webcomic maybe left to right may be better.
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Tigerfestivals Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
left to right would be better, imho. I've got nothing against the other way, but it just wouldn't make any sense to me to do it right to left if it isn't originally in a language that requires that.
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knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
True enough! I often get people asking what direction my pages should read in, even when they were originally left-to-right. 
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:iconrutana:
Rutana Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Student Writer
I say, left to right, like a western Comic.
Simple reason: This is a webcomic. You change the pages, usually, by clicking to an arrow pointing to the right. I find it hard to orientate on webcomics, when they lead in both directions (right to left reading, but left to right turning pages).
Printed, it's fine both ways for me, but reading digitally really makes me prefer reading from left to right.
It's also more universal. Many who read webcomics, don't necessary read Mangas, too. In fact, most webcomics are left to right - so for them, it might be very confusing, you basically make it harder for a big part of your possible audience. While everyone, who reads Manga, is used to read from left to right, too (at least outside of japan and other countries where right to left is standart XD)

Don't know, just my 2 cents :)
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knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah, audience limitations is a big thing. :iconshilin:'s webcomic reads right-to-left, and the style benefits that, especially being black and white. Of course, it's really only Japanese comics that go right-to-left-- French, Korean, American, et cetera all go left-to-right. 
I know how to set it up so that it tells you to read right-to-left and the arrow would point to the left saying "next page," but you raise a good point there. Even on sites like MangaInn, you click to the right to go to the next page, even though it reads the other way. One thing that worries me about going with the left-to-right orientation is how I usually feel when I see that happen. Like with Tokyopop's OEL manga series', I often felt jarred and like "this is an imitation" when they had the artists draw left-to-right. Same with Dark Horse's translated manga, but that goes along with "flipping murders the art" and so on. 
Good points to think about, though. The whole left-to-right being more universal part is what strikes the hardest.
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:iconrutana:
Rutana Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Student Writer
Well, it certainly is a difference if something is drawn left to right, or if it's flipped.
I usually read Mangas in german (since I'm from germany), and so far I have only come across one Manga, that was flipped: Barefoot Gen.
Because of the heavy topic of the Manga, the publisher didn't directly aimed it at the typical Manga reader, but aimed it at a broader audience - which I find very understandable. So the books were thicker and the pages flipped.
The bad thing is, you noticed that it was flipped. Some panels just didn't worked that way. A normal reader, who doesn't know about Manga, probably won't even notice it - but every Manga reader did.
Flipping is a bad thing. I understand it in this situation (and I think it was the right choice, to be honest), but it definitely takes something away from the art.
However, if you draw from left to right from the start, the issue isn't there. The panels can be easily adjusted to the change in direction. It works for US Comics, too :)

Which is also a big point. If you work with greytones, you reach more readers of a Manga audience, and right to left might be easier accepted.
But when you work with color, the connection to western comics is more close, which means that you have a broader audience of both, Manga Fans (for the style) and Comic Fans (for the color). Left to right might be the better choice here.

And, of course, the button topic still stays up. Even your browser tells you that left is back and right is forward, so... for the PC, it's a certain standart ^^;
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knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Left-to-right really seems like the obvious choice now. Non-manga readers will follow it better, and manga-fans will adjust anyway. 
The art flipping may be less of a problem with how I work (I try to make sure my drawings work both ways), but it's less on my mind if I focus on one direction. 
Guess all I can do is make some test pages and see how people react to them! But I'm definitely feeling left-to-right now.
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:iconrutana:
Rutana Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013  Student Writer
Well, I'm glad if I was of any help ^^
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Sabamenides Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013
I'm used to reading both kinds of works, and the only thing I find jarring is when it's evident the original was flipped in translation to be read left-to-right and it murders the art. Beyond that, the first page with dialog in it tells me which way I should be reading and that's the end of the issue. So, if you like right-to-left yourself, go do that and worry no more. If you really don't care, go left-to-right just for to be sure, since I assume you'll be writing in English and everyone this side of the planet is used to left-to-right at the very least. Even for those more used to manga, it shouldn't be such a huge issue beyond the first pages, at least in my opinion.
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knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
True enough! Since it will be in English, it is kinda silly for the text to fight the page layout (directionally). Hmmm... now they're tied up in my head.
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FaithWalkers Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional General Artist
I am fine with either or reading style for the manga. :nod: Excited to see more from you!
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:iconknighthead:
knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I guess the biggest concern is making sure I have that audience, haha!
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Seizui Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013
Aha, good to see  you back in action. I'll probably hit you up soon once money comes my way. Had an idea or two for you. :D

Honestly, someone who I hired did the Japanese style artwork did a manga in the US-style... which I found jarring expecting the normal Japanese style of right-to-left. So, it's like, if you go Japanese-style, stick with the right-to-left. ...Though, I do think that if you do color, the left-to-right may be best.
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:iconknighthead:
knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Sweet!

Yeah, color is usually the line that makes it questionable. Like, I have a bunch of characters who also wouldn't look manga-styled when drawn, but more realistic, especially if I paint them up. 
But especially because it's a self-published thing (if anything) and my own webcomic... right-to-left is winning in my head!
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Omen11 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
id say right to left like a manga
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:iconknighthead:
knighthead Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I am much more a fan of drawing that way, too. Page flow is nicer. I had comic pages for editors to look at and even though they were left-to-right like American comics, they would still ask if it was the other way around because of the style alone!
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Omen11 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
lol lovemangas so go ahead
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